Tuesday, April 30, 2013

Why We Must Remember, part 2

Consider the following: Andrew VORKINK Former World Bank Country Manager for Turkey Professor of International Law at the Bogaziçi University andrew.vorkink@boun.edu.tr RETROACTIVE APPLICATION IS NOT PERMITTED Under international law, retroactive application of criminal laws is not permitted as a general principle. Thus the Genocide Convention applies from when it came into force and not for past acts. Accordingly the Convention cannot be used to bring cases which occurred during World War II, let alone earlier. Further, as the first major case involving a claim that a state committed genocide shows – the case brought by Bosnia against Serbia in the International Court of Justice and decided in February 2007, the burden of proof that there were both killings and intent to destroy a group as a group, is very high. Even with enormous amounts of evidence and testimony in the Bosnia case, the International Court of Justice did not find that the government of Serbia was responsible for genocide in planning or carrying out killings in Bosnia in the 1990's, although the court found it should have done more to stop the killings taking place. The international legal situation is thus clear – genocide as a crime exists from 1948 onwards, both intent to destroy a group and actual killings must be proven and that proof is hard to establish when a state is accused. Switching from the legal to the moral issue, is there a case to be made that genocide can be applied to historical acts even if it cannot be legally applied retroactively? In my view, the answer to this is no, not unless the historical situation is so clear and so close to when genocide became a crime that there is no mistaking the acts as qualifying as genocide from a moral view. The Holocaust against the Jews in World War II, which gave rise to the concept of genocide, meets these criteria. But once we start going further back in history, where does it end? This is where double standards become very obvious. Countries which are willing to classify historical acts in other countries as genocide yet are not willing to recognize acts within their own borders as even crimes - let alone genocide - from a moral and not legal view, are using double standards which undercut their own credibility. Once we start going backwards from the Holocaust, … shall we include the atrocities at Nanking by the Japanese against the Chinese as genocide? … Shall we declare that the killings and starvation of Africans in the Belgian Congo under King Leopold were genocide? … Shall the United States declare that slavery of blacks and treatment of Native Americans in the United States in the 1800's were genocide? And who should make such determinations? Unlike today where there are impartial courts to hear charges of genocide by individuals – such as in the tribunals on Yugoslavia and Rwanda or in the International Criminal Court, or by states in the International Court of Justice, who look at the evidence to decide cases from the past? Surely political bodies cannot be expected to be impartial and decide, nor can they sit as judges of evidence, let alone history. Should Parliaments of other countries decide what happened in another country? If the French Parliament passed a resolution declaring that the treatment of Native Americans in the United States was genocide, would such a resolution be acceptable to the U.S. Congress and American people? Absolutely not – the reaction would be outrage and rightfully so. So when we look back at what happened in 1915, we should not make a judgment because one side lobbies hard in favor of a label and the other lobbies against it or because a declaration would be inconvenient due to current events. Instead we should decide whether it makes sense to use such a politically explosive term as genocide at all for events in history before genocide came into existence. We cannot do it legally and we should not do it morally. Please respond to Andrew Vorkink by Friday, May 3

17 comments:

  1. No one has commented yet, but a student in Period F posted an interesting response I responded to. I thought I would share my thoughts with you as well.

    Good response Emily! It does bring up an issue! Should the United Nations form some sort of court to review historical evidence of the Armenian Genocide, the Trail of Tears, the African slave trade, the Rape of Nanjing, etc. and, if warranted, declare these acts as genocide or examples of genocide? Should we have this international organization acknowledge the injustice and cruelty of our HUMAN collective past and declare our opposition to future injustices and inhumanity of this type. Do you think this would make survivors, descendants of victims, and the world in general feel some relief from the terror of the past?

    Yip

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  2. Hi Guys!

    I found a White House Petition asking the President and Congress to recognize the Armenian Genocide. The petition has already crossed the first threshold, but needs to gather more than 98,000 signatures by May 23 for the White House to respond. I would like to held the petitioner reach that important threshold. So go to https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/recognize-armenian-genocide/zLC55TTd and sign the petition! Get your parents, relatives, friends to sign it! The petition will show your initials and town. You can tweet it or post it on facebook to get word out. Please help the class help the petitioner reach the next threshold!

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  3. People can not be prosecuted for committing genocide before its definition. This however does not prohibit calling the Armenian Genocide a "genocide". When looking back on history, ultimately the people decide what to call an event in history. This can be as simple as differing between terrorist and freedom fighter. Since the number of people who see the Armenian Genocide as a genocide is growing it may be inevitable that they will write the history of the events that occurred as a genocide. If the majority says something it becomes true it becomes true, this will happen with calling the Armenian Genocide a genocide. While legally the perpetrators can't be tried for "genocide" they can be tried for crimes that existed at the time. This controversy is also seen with the Boston Massacre because was it really a massacre if only 5 people died. The Armenian Genocide can be called a genocide even though the term didn't exist yet this is like the Boston Massacre in the way that legally the Boston Massacre wasn't a massacre but morally it was.
    -Colin Krotho

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  4. Similar to Colin, we can not persecute the perpetrators of these genocides before the term was coined. However, we still can classify these things as genocides, if not in name, but by their very nature. These events, specifically the Armenian genocide, do fit the criteria for what a genocide is. I will agree that no, we can not and should not persecute these people for what their nation previously did to a group,however we still are capable of describing a genocide as a genocide before the term was coined. The difference between this and the examples Mr. Yip used in class is that we would not be going after perpetrators, we would just be calling the events that happened a genocide, so there would be no legal action taken against the state that we deemed a genocide occurred in. As Colin said, it is true that,"the number of people who see the Armenian Genocide as a genocide is growing it may be inevitable that they will write the history of the events that occurred as a genocide." I do agree with this, that it is inevitable that at some point in time, whether America legally recognizes it as a genocide or not, the people will become more informed of it, and at some point it will be commonplace to call it the Armenian genocide, with little debate on the issue.
    Nick D

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  5. I believe that each country has the right to speak out and say what they see. Genocide is looked at differently by the people of the country it happened in, each country is bias towards what happened because they don’t want to think that genocide happened under their eyes. What happened to the Armenian people was horrible and I think based on the definition of genocide we should be able to call it one people may deny it but the facts support it no matter how they get twisted. People may not like it or agree but we can’t keep looking the other way and letting politics get in the way, because in the end the people are the ones that will be hurt because it may lead to more genocides. I don’t think any legal action should be taken because that will uncover things that don’t need to be discussed right now, it has been too long, but I think we have as humans an obligation to speak for all those people and call it genocide because they need that understanding that we see what truly happened and that no longer is it being denied. We are not saying what happened but just speaking up about how we see it.
    Pamela Whatley

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  6. Even though things such as genocide weren't even defined in times where there were similar treatments that would be classified as genocide there were still many laws people could be penalized for. It does seem reasonable that actions that would be classified as genocide before the term was defined shouldn't be called a genocide but should be recognized as death's accountable to the leader of the group responsible for all the murders. When things like the death's of all those Cambodian's in the genocide which I believe it should be recognized it seems its only called that morally. Though I can never understand like most people the justice they want when they're ancestors were killed in groups we can't blame them for something that was evil but still do something rather than nothing. This is why I believe that when dealing with these kinds of situations of deciding whether or not something is called a genocide we should take in consideration when it was defined. Doing something such as holding someone accountable for thousands of murders wouldn't just bring some kind of justice but would be better than not doing anything for those who couldn't help but watch they're families die.
    -Jesus Garcia

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  7. In my opinion, whether or not we call the killing of thousands or even millions of people genocide is irrelevant. What really matters is that the world as a whole works together to put a stop to genocide. By this I do not mean that the Unites States or other nations for that matter should jump at the slightest whisper of killings in foreign lands. Instead, I believe it to be crucial that the world organize a system in which evidence of genocide is reviewed by a panel of unbiased, intelligent, and experienced personnel who in turn decide what actions are to be taken when dealing with each specific case. It is important that these individuals are not too anxious yet not too shy to step in when trouble is afoot. In addition, this group should work to provide relief in the form of humanitarian aid for those nations that are being affected by genocide. As a human being it is difficult to stand by and watch as thousands of people are slaughtered but at the same time it is necessary that actions taken are calculated, smart, and low risk so as not to disrupt the balance of a nation, its people, or even the world.

    Unfortunately, genocide is not a cut and dry topic. Genocide has many layers which must be carefully examined, well documented, and scanned for proof. One key layer in particular is intent. According to the definition of genocide, it must be proven that the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part” was present before, during, and after the physical element of the genocide occurred. This six letter word (intent) is the most difficult to prove yet the easiest to deny. As the article explained, “the burden of proof that there were both killings and intent to destroy a group as a group is very high.” As we are all aware it is not the accused that needs to prove its innocents, it is the accuser that needs to prove guilt. Thus, the ability for accusations to be denied and deflected is often too great to overcome by the prosecution and therefore is the reason why the Turks uphold that they are not responsible for any mass killings let alone genocide.

    Looking back, it is easy to point out flaws in the way genocide has been dealt with. For example, “The Court of Justice did not find that the government of Serbia was responsible for genocide in planning or carrying out killings in Bosnia in the 1990's, (regardless) the court found it should have done more to stop the killings (from) taking place.” Ultimately, this finding reverts back to the fact that having a plan of action for dealing with genocide when and where it occurs is of astronomical importance to enable relief to be fast and effective while saving the lives of many millions of innocent people in the future. In our country’s history alone, there have been numerous occasions at which compromises have been made for the greater good of the people. For instance, the ratifying of the Constitution helped to protect the rights of all men within our borders. If only the world could come together and reconcile its differences to prevent further tragedies who knows how we all might benefit. Unfortunately, one would be naive to think that a day in which all the world worked together was possible. Although it may be cynical it is the black and white fact of the matter.
    Lastly, with regards to revisiting past events that many believe to have been genocide to forgive and forget is the best approach. This of course does not mean to forget the victims and to forgive the perpetrators but instead it refers to moving forward towards a prevention of such horrible acts so as not be caught dwelling on the past. This transition is undoubtedly difficult yet at the same time it is necessary for no nation will ever agree to another nation labeling it a perpetrator of genocidal acts no matter how convincing or abundant the evidence may be.
    ---Nick Palumbo

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  8. Since the definition of Genocide came out in 1948, legally the law states that we can't try people for that crime. But morally, i am completely against that. The jews and armenians would agree with me on this. Murder is wrong, but doing it in the millions is just horrible.
    -Connor Lanoie

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  9. I often wonder why we always talk about the term genocide in class. I think we are all wasting our time doing so. The result of what happened in Armenia is over 1.5 million deaths. If we call it a genocide guess what; over 1.5 million people still died. Whether or not we call it a genocide doesnt really matter. Actually in my opinion it doesnt matter at all. Most of us waste our time and energy debating about this. We should be spreading the knowledge that we learned in class. We shouls go do something about it. Even if its a not a genocide it's still wrong. We can call it a mass killing toward a specific group or ethnicity but isn't that the definition of genocide. Even if the word genocide came out in 1948 we should be able to prosecute people for genocide. People should be charged life in prison for intentionally kill 1 person and the same for more than 1 person. Killing human is just morally wrong. We should be able to do it morally AND legally! Its irrelevant when it happened before or after 1948

    This is hamzah

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  10. It is so utterly ridiculous to say that just because something happened in the past, we cannot describe it using terminology that we have developed today. For example, if a man urinates in public and it is not illegal one day, but it is illegal the next day, you can still say he urinated in public. I realize how complicated this sounds so bear with me. Let’s say that the day after the man urinated in public, the government deemed the act illegal and dubbed the act “publination.” Yes, what the man did was not illegal and he cannot be charged with “publination.” However, he still committed the act of “publinating.” This may sound extremely petty; however, it is applicable to the situation of genocide. The term genocide was not created until decades after the Armenian Genocide. That doesn’t mean that we cannot call it genocide however. The only problem with calling it genocide would of course be the word “intent.” We cannot say with complete certainty that it was the goal of the Turks to completely rid the world of the Armenians. However, there is very strong evidence supporting that case. Therefore, we can call the Armenian Genocide a genocide, however, we cannot charge the Turks with any sort of penalty.

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  11. Wow Chrisvan, I dont think ive ever heard that scenario from anyone before.
    Wait a minute i think Mr. Yip said the same thing but with "spitting" on the sidewalk. Nice Try Buddy
    ---Nick Palumbo

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    1. eh, we all have our off days.

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  12. What happened to the Armenians is definitely a genocide by today's definitions but the people responsible cannot be persecuted based off of this definition. The acts they committed were before the definition was created even though what they did was absolutely horrible. We absolutely must remember what happened to the Armenians and it should be politically recognized by the world.

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  13. It is unquestionable that we should call the Armenian genocide, a genocide. A drastic amount of people died and it has effected so many people that it insane that it is not called a genocide by some people. When it comes down to the fact that the definition was created after the actual genocide, that does not matter. The holocaust is considered a genocide even though it happened before the definition came to be. It is completely ethical to persecute the perpetrators of genocide before its definition. Just because it had not been defined does not mean they did not know that what they were doing was wrong. Killing thousands of people was wrong even before it was defined.
    Gilisa Paternina

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  14. I AM SORRY THAT THIS IS SO LATE! HERE IS MY RESPONSE!

    Although the term ‘genocide’ was coined after The Armenian Genocide, I believe that we should be able to call this past systematic extermination of the Armenians genocide. The United States should be reevaluate past crimes and recognize these acts, whether or not they occurred on American soil. Although some of these crimes (such as the treatment of the Native Americans and African Americans etc.) may put the United States in a negative spotlight, we SHOULD judge each crime equally. From here, we as a nation should offer an apology to the individuals harmed by genocide and form some sort of law or committee to revaluate past genocides. This would enable the United States to help prevent future genocides from occurring around the world. I believe that is our duty as THE world leader to help provide protection for all helpless, innocent human beings.

    - Jillian

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  15. I think that although "genocide" was created and defined after many acts that could be considered genocide it does not mean that we should not consider these acts to be genocide. If they fit the definition then they are genocide and for the sake of the people who endured them it at least needs to be recognized as such. However, it would be unfair to punish these crimes because they happened before genocide was a punishable term. But to not even recognize that they happened and to not recognize them in history as a genocide is a disgrace to the victims.

    -Sarah Kennedy

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  16. We simply cant trie a person for a crime that did not exsist when the committed the crime. For example, now alchol is legal but in twenty years and it is outlawed you cant be arrested for drinking alchol 10 years prior to it being outlawed. Even though morally we all want these people to pay for there crimes against humanity, but we just cant trie them. Not rexcognizing them is another issue, everyone should know about these crimes. Covering them up is almost has bad as the acual crime because its like saying it is ok that you did this dont do it again, which is completly wrong.
    Tommy Janicki

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